Transubstantiation debate show notes

Posted by John Benko - September 30th, 2014

These show notes correspond with this debate

The irony that will be made manifest tonight is that my opponent, who claims to adhere to the precept of Sola Scriptura, will be attempting to make a case that cannot be made Biblically- the case that the bread and wine of consecration do not become the actual body and blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ. The Bible is exceedingly- even frighteningly- clear that they do. Here is a clear example of why I laugh out loud when evangelicals have the temerity to accuse Catholics of having teachings contrary to Scripture.  Nowhere is there a teaching more contrary to Scripture than the teaching that Transubstantiation is false.

In John’s Gospel, Jesus says that His flesh is real food and His blood is real drink and he who does not eat His flesh and drink His blood has no life in Him. The verbiage Jesus uses is extraordinarily blunt. The Greek word Trogon actually means to crunch, grind or gnaw between the teeth. Jesus is leaving no room for doubt here. The many disciples who walked away were clear about what He was saying. Jesus affirmed it 4 times.

Neither is Paul any less clear in chapters 10 and 11 of his first letter to the Corinthians when he boldly states that the bread and wine are an actual participation in the body and blood of Jesus and that he who eats the bread and drinks the wine unworthily is guilty of profaning the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ! As if that were not far enough, Paul warns us that to eat and drink the bread and the cup without recognizing it as Christ’s body is to eat and drink judgment on oneself!

These teachings are clear and unambiguous and the Catholic church’s proclamation on them is unassailable. These are the facts and nothing my opponent will say tonight will alter that. I could stop now and the Catholic side would win this debate.

Unfortunately for my opponent, I am not going to stop now. The teaching of the Eucharist is not confined to John’s gospel and Paul’s first epistle to the Corinthians. It reverberates all through Scripture from Genesis to Revelation as typology, fulfilment and prophecy. Further, much to the consternation of my worthy adversary, it is the consistent and infallible teaching of every generation of Christianity- a fact he would like very much to suppress and pretend away.

Tonight’s debate is not about what the Bible and the history of the church teach on this subject that is a closed case. My opponent will not even attempt to counter the early church’s teaching on this matter, he would rather that not even be discussed and has said as much. Further, his Biblical word parsing is going to be seen for what it is- desperation. The case against Transubstantiation can be made logically or philosophically to a degree but cannot be made- even a little- Biblically or historically. No, tonight’s debate is already settled on the grounds of what guidance the mind of the church and the Holy Scriptures have left to us. Tonight’s debate is about faith. You either have it or you don’t. If you have it, you say “Our Lord said it, that settles it”. If you do not have it, you say “Jesus didn’t really say it” or “Jesus said it but He didn’t really mean it” or “There is no Jesus”. What is the difference? They are only different degrees of the same unbelief. Denial of the Eucharist is denial of the Christian faith and the creation of a new Jesus who is not the bread from heaven that the Jesus of John 6 clearly states Himself to be. Like I said, you either believe Him or you don’t. There is no middle ground here.

My opponent claims to follow the Bible but He does not even understand the Bible. If He did, He would see a foreshadowing of the Eucharist in the Passover. After the Passover lamb- an obvious typology of Jesus- was slain, it was eaten. He would see a typology in the Manna- the bread from heaven- which, again, the believers ate. He would recognize that, in John 6, it is no coincidence that the miracle of the multiplication of  loaves directly proceeds the bread of life discourse. In this discourse Jesus announces the starkly clear reality of Eucharist as a direct answer to the direct question of John 6:30 “What sign are you going to give us then, so that we may see it and believe you? What work are you performing? .  My opponent, if He understood Scripture, would see the reference , that Jesus was a priest in the order of Melchizedek (Hebrews 7). It was Melchizedek that Scripture tells us brought forth the bread and wine. My opponent, if he understood Scripture as he states, would see the Eucharist as the marriage supper of the lamb in Revelation chapter 19.

My opponent sees none of these things because he lacks the light that comes from faith and cannot get past his own lying eyes that tell him that what appears to be bread and wine, must be bread and win even though Jesus Christ, Himself, said This IS my body, This IS my blood. The Greek term is Touto Estin  and cannot be translated as “this represents” or “this is a symbol of”.

Jesus said it, we believe it. That settles it.

Let’s bring the focus in closer.  Let’s really look closely at the question posed to Jesus. “What sign are you going to give us then, so that we may see it and believe you? What work are you performing? My opponent adheres to an ideology that stipulates that one must only believe in Jesus to be saved. Yet, right here, He is denying the very definitive sign that must be believed, the very specific answer given to Jesus’ detractors. Listen carefully to Jesus words;

“Very truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.  54 Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day; 55 for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. 56 Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever eats me will live because of me.

My opponent simply can not- and will not- deal with the shockingly direct and blunt words of Jesus here. What my opponent will try to do is to imply that Jesus is speaking metaphorically here. First of all, the text doesn’t allow it. Secondly, each time that Jesus spoke in parables, He then explained the parable. Jesus allowed some 60 disciples to walk away over this doctrine and, at every chance to explain it away as a metaphor, He re-emphasized His words instead. Jesus repeatedly spoke in literal terms and took great pains for everyone to know that He was speaking in literal terms. In fact, the one verse my opponent will use to try and spiritize this passage, actually emphasizes it’s literal interpretation.

60 When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This teaching is difficult; who can accept it?” 61 But Jesus, being aware that his disciples were complaining about it, said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? 63 It is the spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64 But among you there are some who do not believe.”

Jesus is not contradicting His own words by saying His own flesh is useless. If Jesus were calling His own flesh useless, what value would there be in the crucifixion? No, Jesus is telling us the same truth as in Matthew 16. That truth is that somethings are true even when they cannot be perceived by our fleshy senses or comprehended by our fleshy minds.  Jesus words are Spirit and Truth. He even goes so far as to say that anyone who rejects this literal teaching is one who does not believe in Him!

For Jesus knew from the first who were the ones that did not believe, and who was the one that would betray him.  65 And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted by the Father.”

66 Because of this many of his disciples turned back and no longer went about with him. 67 So Jesus asked the twelve, “Do you also wish to go away?” 68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom can we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and know that you are the Holy One of God.”[h] 70 Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve? Yet one of you is a devil.” 71 He was speaking of Judas son of Simon Iscariot,[i] for he, though one of the twelve, was going to betray him.

So, my opponent must know that, if he continues to deny the true presence, it is not Jesus who He believes, it is Judas and those who walked away.

Paul certainly believed in the true presence, of that He leaves no doubt. Paul’s words to the church in Corinth.

( 1 Corinthians 10)

16 The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a sharing in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a sharing in the body of Christ? 17 Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread. 18 Consider the people of Israel;[d] are not those who eat the sacrifices partners in the altar? 19 What do I imply then? That food sacrificed to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be partners with demons. 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons. 22 Or are we provoking the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than he?

23 For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took a loaf of bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body that is for[g] you. Do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way he took the cup also, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be answerable for the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Examine yourselves, and only then eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For all who eat and drink[h] without discerning the body,[i] eat and drink judgment against themselves.

My opponent wants you to believe that we are misinterpreting the words of John and Paul but history is not kind to his assertions.  The very first prominent figure to deny it was Ulrich Zwingli in 1525. My opponent has a clear choice. He can accept the clear word of Scripture and roughly 2000 years of clear Christian teaching that affirm the true presence, or he can accept roughly 500 years of heresy that is wholly rooted in a lack of belief. Make no mistake. To deny the Eucharist is to deny Christ. This concludes my opening statement.

1) Since no one prior to Zwingli, in the 16th century, can be found disputing the true presence, can you explain how 15 centuries of Christians failed to see in Scripture what he saw?

2) The word discern means to recognize the truth. In 1 Corinthians 11, Paul says that to eat and drink the bread and cup without discerning (recognizing) the body is to bring judgment on oneself. How else can this passage possibly be interpreted?

3) When you speak to Catholics about how you believe certain Catholic teachings oppose Scripture, how do you suppose that you have any credibility when, here, you are opposing the very clear words of the New Testament?

4)  Jesus said “He who does not eat my flesh and drink my blood has no life in him”. How can you say you are alive in Christ, when He clearly says you are not?

 In the initial discussions for this debate, my opponent expressed his strong desire that the early church fathers be excluded from this debate, in favor of a ‘Bible-alone’ approach. The problem with such an approach is that the fathers of the church and the men who wrote, translated and canonized the New Testament were one and the same. No amount of historical revisionism can change that. Saint John Neumann once said that to be steeped in history is to cease to be a protestant. Truer words were never spoken. My opponent tonight could not make his case Biblically unless he equivocated and twisted the passages to his liking and duped you into to thinking that his novel interpretations were held by the early church. History is not kind to his new and different gospel.

St. Ignatius of Antioch (c. 110 A.D.)

I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I   desire the Bread of God, WHICH IS THE FLESH OF JESUS CHRIST, who   was of the seed of David; and for drink I DESIRE HIS BLOOD, which   is love incorruptible. (Letter to the Romans 7:3)


St. Justin the Martyr (c. 100 – 165 A.D.)

For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus   Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and   blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has   been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by Him, AND   BY THE CHANGE OF WHICH our blood and flesh is nourished, IS BOTH   THE FLESH AND THE BLOOD OF THAT INCARNATED JESUS. (First   Apology, 66)


St. Irenaeus of Lyons (c. 140 – 202 A.D.)

…He took from among creation that which is bread, and gave thanks, saying,   “THIS IS MY BODY.” The cup likewise, which   is from among the creation to which we belong, HE CONFESSED TO BE   HIS BLOOD.


Tertullian (c. 155 – 250 A.D.)

Likewise, in regard to days of fast, many do not think they should be present   at the SACRIFICIAL prayers, because their fast would be broken   if they were to receive THE BODY OF THE LORDTHE BODY   OF THE LORD HAVING BEEN RECEIVED AND RESERVED, each point is secured:   both the participation IN THE SACRIFICE(Prayer   19:1)


Origen (c. 185 – 254 A.D.)

You see how the ALTARS are no longer sprinkled with the blood   of oxen, but consecrated BY THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST. (Homilies   on Joshua 2:1)

We actually have far more of these quotes in our show notes at The point is this, and there is no escaping it. Jesus words on this matter are literal. Paul’s words on this matter are literal. The Apostles took them literally, the Jews took them literally, and, there can be no dispute that the early church took them literally. My opponent has absolutely no case here, this is settled, infallible and foundational Christian doctrine. This concludes my closing statement.


St. Clement of Alexandria (c. 150 – 216 A.D.)

Calling her children about her, she [the Church] nourishes them with holy milk,   that is, with the Infant Word…The Word is everything to a child: both Father   and Mother, both Instructor and Nurse. “EAT MY FLESH,”   He says, “AND DRINK MY BLOOD.” The Lord supplies us   with these intimate nutriments. HE DELIVERS OVER HIS FLESH, AND POURS   OUT HIS BLOOD; and nothing is lacking for the growth of His children.   O incredible mystery! (Instructor of Children 1:6:42,1,3)

St. Cyprian of Carthage (c. 200 – 258 A.D.)

And we ask that this Bread be given us daily, so that we who are in Christ   and daily receive THE EUCHARIST AS THE FOOD OF SALVATION,   may not, by falling into some more grievous sin and then in abstaining from   communicating, be withheld from the heavenly Bread, and be separated from Christ’s   Body…


Council of Nicaea (c. 325 A.D.)

It has come to the attention of the holy and great council that in some localities   and cities deacons give the Eucharist to presbyters, although neither the canon   nor the custom permits those who do NOT offer sacrifice to give the Body   of Christ to those who do offer the sacrifice(Canon   18)

Aphraates the Persian Sage (c. 280 – 345 A.D.)

After having spoken thus ["This is My body…This is My blood"],   the Lord rose up from the place where He had made the Passover and had given   His Body as food and His Blood as drink, and He went with His disciples to the   place where He was to be arrested. But He ate of His own Body and drank   of His own Blood, while He was pondering on the dead. With His   own hands the Lord presented His own Body to be eaten, and before He was crucified   He gave His blood as drink(Treatises 12:6)

St. Ephraim (c. 306 – 373 A.D.)

Our Lord Jesus took in His hands what in the beginning was only   bread; and He blessed it, and signed it, and made it holy in the   name of the Father and in the name of the Spirit; and He broke it and in His   gracious kindness He distributed it to all His disciples one by one. He   called the bread His living Body, and did Himself fill it with Himself and the   Spirit.

St. Athanasius (c. 295 – 373 A.D.)

You shall see the Levites bringing loaves and a cup of wine, and placing them   on the table. So long as the prayers of supplication and entreaties have not   been made, there is only bread and wine. But   after the great and wonderful prayers have been completed, then the bread is   become the Body, and the wine the Blood, of our Lord Jesus Christ….

St. Cyril of Jerusalem (c. 350 A.D.)

For just as the bread and the wine of the Eucharist before the   holy invocation of the adorable Trinity were simple bread and wine, but   the invocation having been made, the bread becomes the Body of Christ and the   wine the Blood of Christ(Catechetical Lectures 19   [Mystagogic 1], 7)


St. Hilary of Poitiers (c. 315 – 368 A.D.)

When we speak of the reality of Christ’s nature being in us, we would be speaking   foolishly and impiously — had we not learned it from Him. For He Himself   says: “My Flesh is truly Food, and My Blood is truly Drink. He that eats   My Flesh and drinks My Blood will remain in Me and I in Him.”

St. Basil the Great (c. 330 – 379 A.D.)

To communicate each day and to partake of the holy Body and Blood of   Christ is good and beneficial; for He says quite plainly: “He that eats   My Flesh and drinks My Blood has eternal life.” Who can doubt that   to share continually in life is the same thing as having life abundantly? We   ourselves communicate four times each week…and on other days if there is   a commemoration of any saint. (Letter of Basil to a Patrician Lady   Caesaria)

Every one of those quotes predates the publishing of the first Bible. That means that every one of those quotes was from the mouth of the very Church that gave us the Bible. To believe in the Bible is to believe in the Eucharist. Period. That concludes my closing statement.

Transubstantiation debate

Posted by John Benko - September 30th, 2014

Tonight, we debate the foundational doctrine of Transubstantiation. The debate is at 7:00 Eastern, 6:00 Central, 5:00 Mountain, 4:00 Pacific. John Benko vs John Pistes. The call-in number is 646-595-2071.

The Catholic Defender: The John Carpenter Conversion Story

Posted by Donald Hartley - September 26th, 2014

CarpenterJohn Carpenter was raised in a Methodist church, his father was a Minister of a Methodist congregation. On Deepertruth, John Carpenter will give his conversion story how he has come to accept the Catholic Faith. Since his conversion, John has developed a great interest in the Virgin Mary. He began investigating Marian apparitions bring a wholeness of faith into his life.

John has been featured on Deepertruth each and every Sunday night focusing on many of these Marian apparitions. The show is called Journey with Mary as we go from one country to another in time and space.

John also works at the Diocesan level helping the local Bishop of Springfield Missouri, he is a part of the Southern Missouri Marian Association, and is part of Deepertruth. He speaks at conferences where he is becoming more sought after for his study of Marian apparitions.

John has certainly become an important figure for Deepertruth as he has helped co-host conversion stories of other Catholics. John’s professional background, a field of psychology, gives him a unique perspective in studying the seers of Our Lady from Heaven.  Tonight, John will give his conversion story.

We are all called to follow the Lord in all that we are and I think this is why conversion stories are so important to many of us. They offer hope in times of despair. Because we are living in an evil age, St. Paul writes, ”And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper.” Romans 1:28

IMG_1568Even so, St. John is clear, “But to those who did accept him he gave the power to become children of God, to those who believe in his name.” John 1:12

Jesus gives us this message of hope, “What man among you having a hundred sheep and losing one of them would not leave the ninety-nine in the desert and go after the lost one until he finds it.” Luke 15:4

Joel 2:12-13 really says it all, “Yet even now, say the Lord, return to me with your whole heart, with fasting, and weeping, and mourning: Rend your hearts, not your garments, and return to the Lord, your God. For gracious and merciful is he, slow to anger, rich in kindness, and relenting in punishment.”

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The Catholic Defender: A True Miracle of the Eucharist

Posted by Donald Hartley - September 25th, 2014

The following is taken from the webpage and written by Father Pius Rettob, MSC based from the United Kingdom

Miracle of the Desecrated Host


On Sunday, 25th October 1955, there was an important and historical event at Bunya Station, in the Diocese of Tanjung Selor, Indonesia. A Muslim man named Saleh cut a Holy Host and blood issued forth from that Host. For a long time that event was only a story and unsupported by any documentation. Saleh, who eventually converted, consented to tell the story to Fr. Rettob on November 28th, 2002. We are sorry that the other eyewitnesses had died so that we could not gather supporting data from them. However, we thought that, although the data was incomplete, better to have Saleh’s data written in this article than not to have anything for future records.

Antonius Yohannes Saleh: The man who cut the Host at Bunya Station – Tarakan Parish Diocese of Tanjung Selor, Indonesia.

Family background: Saleh is an only child. He was born on
1 October 1918 at Kulon Proga, Yogyakarta. His father is Kasan Prawiro, also from Kulon Proga, Yogyakarta and his mother is Marsioa from Blitar. His father and mother were farmers.

From childhood Saleh had been a follower of Islam because his parents and his family were Muslims. He was educated and formed in the tradition and practices of Islam. When he was five years old, he and his parents moved from Kulon Proga to Malan. In February 1953, he was married to Sumi. They had two children. Sayuti and Syani. However Sayuti died when she was 45 days old and shortly thereafter Sumi, his wife, also died.

To Bunu seeking employment

Host 6In December 1953, Saleh left Malang and went to Bunyu to seek employment. At Bunyu he was offered employment as a house servant by Mr Macma and Mrs Diny, a Dutch family, with a monthly wage of 150 Rupiahs, fifteen kilograms of rice and a carton of cigarettes, in addition to free accommodation at his master’s house which also included free food and drink. Saleh immediately accepted this offer.

In 1955 his master returned to the Netherlands. Saleh was given a separation pay of 350 Rupiahs. With this money and the wages that he had saved for two years Saleh bought a plot of land at 400 Rupiahs and then built a house on that piece of land. Meanwhile he looked for emplyment to support his life. Not too long after, he received an offer as a building contractor from a Chinese descendant named Ham Lam. The monthly wage was 125 Rupiahs. He worked for Ham Lam for a year.

Drawn to a Catholic girl

There was a Catholic girl who was diligent in attending the Liturgy of the Church. Each time she went to the church she passed by Saleh’s home. Saleh always saw this beautiful girl. On one occasion, Saleh’s heart was drawn to the girl. He was determined to greet and befriend this beautiful girl.

One day, when the girl returned from the church and passed by the house, Saleh greeted her kindly. She stopped and looked at Saleh. Saleh approached and shook hands while introducing himself to the girl. The girl kindly returned Saleh’s greeting. She introduced herself: “My name is Martha Suntrsih from Doplang, Cepu, Central Java. My parents died at Doplang and my younger brother, Warso, also died in Tawau. I am an orphan and I work at Bunyu for Mr Remuat from Manado as his maid. My monthly wage is 100 Rupiahs.”

host 7Then Saleh asked Martha where she was going and why she always passed in front of Saleh’s house. Martha answered, “I have come from the church and I am going home. I always attend the religious service at the church and pass this way.”

Saleh asked her about her religion. Martha answered, “I am a Catholic.” Then Martha said goodbye and continued on her way home.

Saleh’s interest in Martha grew. Every day Saleh met and greeted Martha who passed in front of his house. After several meetings and becoming more acquainted, Saleh opened his heart to Martha about his desire to betroth Martha and make her his wife. Martha asked for several days to think about her answer. Each day Saleh pressed Martha to give confirmation as soon as possible. After several days Martha accepted Saleh’s proposal.

Hatred of Christianity

From his childhood Saleh hated Christianity, including Catholicism. Saleh’s hatred was marked by his opinion that Christianity is the religion of the colonists, who at the time were Dutch. His hatred towards colonists made him also hate Christianity; hence Saleh always looked for ways to hinder this religion. At every opportunity, Saleh gathered small rocks which would be used to throw at a church building, while a congregation prayed. Quite often Saleh threw rocks at the Catholic church of Maria Renya Rosari Bunyu, where Martha was always praying.

To be Muslim or Catholic

Saleh and Martha began a new stage in their life, which was courtship. One interesting topic that was discussed together was religion. Saleh pressed Martha to follow him and to become a Muslim. On the other side, Martha defended her opinion that she would marry Saleh, only if Saleh became a Catholic.

Each one defended his/her belief; no one was willing to give up. Meanwhile, Saleh was faithful, accompanying Martha everywhere, including bringing her to the Catholic church for religious services, especially to attend the Holy Mass.

“This is the Body of My Lord”

CommunionAfter several times of accompanying Martha to attend Holy Mass at the church, Saleh paid special attention during Holy Communion when Martha received the Holy Host. Saleh asked her about something that was white and appeared like paper which was received and eaten by Martha in the Church.

With confidence Martha answered, “This is the Body of my Lord.” Martha continued, “That is called the Holy Host, something that is most Holy and revered by Catholics.” Saleh was surprised to hear that answer and sought ways to acquire the Holy Host.

The Bleeding Host

On Sunday 25th October 1955 there was a celebration of the Holy Mass at the church. Martha attended it and was accompanied by Saleh. After arriving at the Church, Saleh waited, watching from outside. Before Martha went to church, Saleh had asked Martha to bring a Holy Host home and then give it to him. If Martha did not fulfill this request then their relationship would be ended.

Martha went to the church and attended Mass as usual. During Communion, Martha went forward with the other faithful people to receive the Holy Host.

At that time the custom was that Catholics were to receive Holy Communion in their mouths. When Martha received the Holy Host from the priest, she did not immediately swallow it. Walking back to her seat she took the Holy Host out of her mouth and then she wrapped the Host and brought it home. She did this under duress and out of fear.

Upon arriving home Martha handed the Host to Saleh at the house of Mr. Suro Tempe. Saleh received the Host and put it in his pocket. At that time, there were many people preparing a thanksgiving feast for the wedding anniversary of Mr Suro Tempe. There were some people cooking in the kitchen; others were playing cards and so on.

While many people gathered at Mr Suro Tempe’s house, Saleh thought that this was the right moment to show everybody that what Martha believed was a lie or a vanity.

Host 3Saleh asked for a knife from Martha and he cut the Holy Host in front of everyone, especially before his friends who were playing cards. However, what happened? From that Host issued much blood and spurted on everyone present. Many people’s clothing including Saleh’s was stained by the blood. Saleh was bewildered and afraid. He was paralyzed with fear and did not move from his seat. The same thing happened with his friends and all present.

The news of this event was spread to people nearby. Many people gathered around. Some people, who were not present to see what Saleh had done, presumed that a murder had been committed and that the offender was Saleh.

They reported the “murder” to the security agency. Soon, four policemen, who were Mr Payong, a Catholic from Flores, Mr Stephen, a Protestant from Ambon, Maluku, and two others who were Muslims had arrived at Mr Suro Tempe’s house. They were astounded and in awe to see so much blood. Without questioning and finding out what happened, the policemen put Saleh’s hands in shackles. Saleh was confused and afraid because he was aware that he did not kill anyone. Meanwhile blood still issued forth from the Holy Host. The policemen were also afraid and were confused about it.

Mr Stephen, the policeman, had the initiative to call the priest from the church. The distance was one and a half kilometers. Coincidentally, Father Wilhelmus Yosephus Leeferink, MSF, was at the Bunyu church, and not too long afterwards, the priest arrived at the house of Mr Suro Tempe. The priest asked what happened but none answered. He repeated the same question but they were still silent. When the priest looked at the Holy Host which was issuing blood, he immediately knelt down and prayed with raised hands and then blessed the Holy Host. After the priest finished the blessing, the Holy Host stopped issuing blood. With fear and trembling, Saleh approached the priest and begged mercy and forgiveness for what he did. Once more the priest raised his hands and prayed and blessed Saleh.

Impulse to convert

host 9During the day Saleh was filled with fear and confusion. During the night he could not sleep soundly. A conviction to become a Catholic slowly grew stronger in his heart. The next day, early in the morning, Saleh woke up from his sleep and went to the church. His intention was to meet with the priest and to declare his heart’s desire to become a Catholic and be catechized.

When he arrived at the church nobody except the priest was present: Fr. Wilhelmus Yosephus Leeferink, MSF. Saleh expressed his heart’s desire to the priest. The priest kindly received Saleh’s intention. He suggested that Saleh should return to his home to meditate about the Bleeding Host and his decision. Meanwhile the priest would find a catechist to tutor and teach Saleh. A confirmation of this would be conveyed by the priest to Saleh. Saleh said goodbye to the priest and returned home. He immediately met Martha to express his desire to become a Catholic and to study the Faith. Martha received Saleh’s good intention. A few days later in 1956 they were married in a civil ceremony at Banyu Island.

Because of the incident of the desecration of the Host, many people from other religions, especially from Islam, declared their desire to become Catholics. This caused many parties to threaten to kill Saleh.

Threats from local authorities

A few days later some people from the local authorities heard the news about the Bleeding Host. They were Muslims. Saleh and others who were present during the event were summoned by the local authorities. They strongly forbade them to speak about the incident to anyone, especially to Muslims. Every person, and especially Saleh, had their lives threatened if they spoke of this event to anyone. The incident therefore remained a secret from anyone else.

Persecution and relocation

Host 4Saleh was not at peace and was insecure living in Bunyu because of the persecution from the local authorities and the community who were mostly Muslims. Saleh and Martha decided to move to Tarakan. Saleh used this chance to study the Catholic faith at Tarakan for two weeks with Fr. A. van de Graff, MSF, who was from the Netherlands. Saleh was determined to learn Catholicism and be baptized as soon as possible.

However, the people from Banyu followed Saleh. His life was once again threatened. They then moved to Tanjung Selor. However, even there the persecution continued for 1 year. Finally they moved to Berau and stayed there.

Life in Berau

To live safely, Saleh and Martha stayed a little further at Tanjung Redeb, Berau. On arriving at Tanjung Redeb they stayed at the house of Mr Lusy Mado, a retired soldier from Flores who was a Catholic.

In Tanjung Redeb, Berau, circumstances allowed Saleh and Martha to live safely and peacefully so they decided to live there.

On the 26th October 1966, Saleh was baptised with the name “Atonius Yohannes Saleh”, and also received the sacrament of marriage with Martha on the same day from Fr. A. van de Graff, MSF, at Tanjung Redeb. The baptismal godparents and marriage witnesses were: Aloysius T. Sudibo and Margaretha Tjuoc Mei Lin.

Anton Saleh, his new nickname, started his new life as a Catholic. He continued to deepen his faith with catechism lessons and strove to become a good Catholic. He proved his growing faith by assiduous prayer and liturgical worship, and was helpful towards others who also sought to become Catholics and generously helped needy and poor people. Anton Saleh’s lifestyle was fully supported by his wife, Martha.

The lives of Antonius Saleh, together with his wife, were examples for other people and many were attracted to the Catholic faith. However, this couple were childless.

They kept the Bleeding Host event as a secret for a few years. Around the 1970’s and 80’s when the situation in Bunyu was at risk, the marvellous incident slowly began to be heard at several places and spread everywhere.


Host 10After baptism in 1966 Antonius Saleh felt something strange about himself. He had a special healing charism. By using the water which was blessed by Fr. A. van der Graff, MSF, and Fr. Carlo Beriolini Yalai, OMI, or the Holy Water from Lourdes, France, or the Holy Water from the Marian Grotto in Sendangsono, Indonesia, with prayers, the water given to the sick to drink or to dab on the affected area of their bodies, resulted in many of the sick being healed, the crippled walked, the blind saw, the deaf heard and so on. Similar healings are stilled performed by Antonius Saleh, although now he has become old. He gives much thanksgiving for the graces that God has given him, especially the healing charism.

Giving witness at Bunyu

On Sunday 4th June 2000, coincidentally with the first Holy Communion of seven children, Saleh was invited by Fr. Dino Tessari, OMI, to give witness about the event of the Bleeding Host and to show the location where Mr. Suro Tempe’s house was; where Saleh cut the Holy Host. Unfortunately at that time Anton Saleh was not accompanied by his wife. She had died at Tanjung Redeb, Berau, three months before.

After Antonius Saleh gave witness, he, with F. Dino Tessari, OMI, and several leaders from Bunyu searched for the residence of Mr. Suro Tempe. With the assistance of Mr and Mrs Djoui who knew the exact location of the house they found the correct location. However, the house is not there anymore, only a field of grass remains.

The event and, above all, the witness of Anton Saleh himself have strengthened and fortified the faith of the people of Bunyu.

During a recent homily a priest told an interesting story of Pope John Paul’s visit to the Baltimore area in 1995:

Pope_John_Paul_II_exhibit_comes_to_Balti_1542550000_4196757_ver1.0_640_480The Pope was scheduled for a quick trip by the local seminary. But even though it was not scheduled, he wanted to go in and pray at their chapel. So a security team and German Shepherd canine unit that was specially trained to find human beings – using their superior sense of smell, like the ones used after the September 11 attack to find people in the rubble – were sent to search for people hiding in the various rooms.

They searched the halls and rooms and found nothing, and then were sent into the chapel where the Pope intended to pray.

They sniffed in all the aisles and then came to the tabernacle which held the consecrated Hosts. The dogs sniffed and pointed, indicating that they sensed a human being present in the holy tabernacle, and would not leave until their handlers called them off.

This was witnessed by over ten security people.

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The Catholic Defender: Deepertruth At Oklahoma Against Satan

Posted by Donald Hartley - September 25th, 2014

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On 21 September 2014, despite a petition of hundreds of thousands of signatures to stop the blasphemy at the Oklahoma City’s civic center, a quasi-semi black mass was conducted with the “blessing” of the local Government.

black Mass 6Deepertruth members led by Dr. Gregory Thompson traveled hundreds of miles to join in the Mass, the processions, and the prayer, against and for those participating in the first openly Government sponsored Satanic Black Mass. This was billed as a free speech issue but this event represents something far more sinister.

In order for a true black mass to take place, they must have a consecrated Host where they desecrate the Lord Jesus Christ and everything that is holy. Here, they blasphemed the Lord, stomping on the unconsecrated host as if they were stomping on Christ himself. In actual black masses, this act is far more grotesque. Because of the lawsuit filed against the use of a true consecrated Host, the black mass was performed, despite heavy opposition, with a fake host.

There were an estimated 30-40 participants of this great sacrilege taking place at a small basement theater in the Oklahoma City’s civic center. There was one noted arrest when a lady refused to leave the entrance of the building. Other than that, the heavy police presence restrained protesters who picketed the Satanic service.

black mass 4Archbishop Paul Coakley led over 3,000 faithful Catholics in Eucharistic adoration against this black mass. The archbishop told participants that the city “has been targeted by dark forces,” and decried the Black Mass, “which to the shame of our city is allowed to proceed.” But he reminded the faithful that “Christ conquered Satan.”

In Tulsa, another 1,600 Catholics also participated in Eucharistic adoration at the city’s cathedral, and joined in a Eucharistic procession through the streets.

Dr. Gregory Thompson and his team of Deepertruth members, Matthew and Talon Whitney of Marshall Missouri displayed a beautiful banner as they participated with over 1600 people praying outside the civic center. In this picture, you can see part of Dr. Gregory Thompson’s banner at the far left of picture with Mary humbly praying.

Here is a better close up of Matt and Talon Whitney holding up the banner.  It reads, “Follow my example, humble yourself before the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of your Savior.” Dr. Gregory Thompson and I have been sharing Eucharistic Miracles that the Lord has given us.

IMG_1759What a great miracle this is to have people of all ages willing to come out here to stand up for Jesus. We must also remember those inside this building who were blaspheming Jesus. He showed them His love through His bitter passion for them. From the cross, Jesus said, “Father, forgive them for they no not what they do”.

You can listen in to tonight’s show here

Tonight’s show on Deepertruth Dr. Gregory Thompson and I will present the story at 8:00 Eastern, 7:00 Central, 6:00 Mountain, and 5:00 Pacific.

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The Catholic Defender: Debate Saturday Night: 27 September 2012

Posted by Donald Hartley - September 25th, 2014

Jesus picThis Saturday night I will be debating on Deepertruth Radio against a Protestant, Jeff Lincoln who is known mostly for his participation on the Facebook page, Catholic Church or Bible only site. Jeff is going to challenge the Catholic position on what constitutes the Body of Christ. What is the Body of Christ? I will be defending the Catholic foundation.

What really separates the Catholic and Protestant church’s is the question of authority. Is the Catholic Church the one true Church founded by Christ, commissioned by Christ, and then sent by Christ to go to all of the nations presenting the gospel? Or are the Protestants correct in protesting the Catholic Church and accepting their own traditions?

Just for a taster, this is where I will be presenting for the Catholic Church.

1. The question of authority. Jesus did in fact exist and he did in fact established a Church giving it His authority. People like to use a scatter gun technique that is employed by Protestant apologists that is designed to overload the Catholic apologist. Rarely does a debate on Facebook stay on any one topic. Mary, the Saints, the Papacy, the bible, statues, history, Purgatory, did Jesus have brothers, call no man father, they all end up in any one debate. But all that is really sidebars because authority is the main issue. All these other topics are used to challenge the Catholic for the purpose to topple that authority. If they think they can effectively prove that the Catholic Church is teaching something that is contrary to scripture, then they believe they have proved their case.

Matthew 16:17-19 and Matthew 18:15-19 are important biblical texts for authority. Luke 10:16 and John 21:15-17 are also important. There are many scriptures that support the authority Christ gives the Church.

This authority given the church covers every aspect of what the Catholic Church is as the Body of Christ. Jeff Lincoln will try to set a foundation for Sola Scriptura (Bible alone). So, I will use primarily the bible to show that the Catholic Faith is truly the Church of the gospel, it is the Church of the New Testament.

bindingandloosing12. The power to bind and loose, this was an authority that was given to the Apostles that was a known legal term. Jeff will see that this is a generic understanding, a simplistic interpretation that each believer would hold that power. The scripture is very clear here that this power was given to the leaders of the Church. The power to bind and loose is literally embodied within the authority of the Church.

3. The power to forgive sins, Jeff will recognize that all you need to is go straight to Jesus, he will definitely oppose the middle man. I will defend that the power to forgive sins is also embodied in that authority that Christ gave the Church. John 20:23 is clear that Jesus was sending the Apostles out to do the work of Jesus.

4. The power to make disciples, Jeff will deny that the Catholic Faith was commissioned by Christ, he will either try to claim that Constantine started the church introducing Paganism within the Church. I will maintain that the Catholic Church begins with Jesus and that the Apostles beginning with Pentecost have been faithful to the call to make disciples. The Catholic Church have always been the standard against all schisms and heresies.

5. The power to Baptize (and initiate all the Sacraments) is for all believers. It is the dispensing of God’s grace through the ministry of the Church that souls are sanctified. Jeff will deny that the Church can save a soul, I will agree with Jeff on the importance of Jesus, but it is the importance of what Jesus does in the work of salvation. When you go to Confession for example, the soul is cleansed by the same power that Christ cleansed the soul of the woman caught in adultery. It is Jesus who works in the ministry of his ministers.

keys6. The power to excommunicate and rebuke is also embodied in the authority of Church. 1 Corinthians 5:1-5 is supported by Galatians 1:6-9, Titus 3:10, Acts 5:1-11, Acts 8:14-24. As Christians, we are all called to live a holy life, but the Church has authority to instruct and teach people the truth. The bible is important in this task but not through human engineering, but through the apostolic tradition.

7. The power to ordain successors is definitely embodied in the authority of the Church. Jeff will attempt to justify the priesthood of all believers giving justification to each person. The concept of the priesthood of all believers is our ‘divine election” to serve and worship Christ continuing the priestly functions of the Lord’s life, passion, and resurrection. We have a personal role in this, as a laity, but we also have a chain of command, Shepherds who guard the flock through administration. We have the historical tie of apostolic succession.

These are just some considerations that I will be defending the Catholic Church.

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The Catholic Defender: The Tom Peterson Story, Founder Of Catholics Come Home

Posted by Donald Hartley - September 24th, 2014

prodigalsonJames 5:19-20 states “My brothers, if anyone among you should stray from the truth and someone bring him back, he should know that whoever brings back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.” That being so, think of the huge celebration taking place in heaven as a result of the work that Tom Peterson and the Catholics Come Home folks have accomplished.

From December 2011 through January 2012, the highly popular commercial adds that were produced by Catholics Come Home have aired throughout the United States from Boston to Seattle, from Chicago to New Orleans. From East to west, from north to south, people all across America have seen these adds on cable news like Fox as well as syndicated networks like NBC, CBS, and other outlets.  As a result, Catholics Come Home were reaching 125 million viewers ten times each, in every city across the United States!

As a result, it is estimated that over 350,000 fallen Catholics have returned home to the Catholic Faith. I remember when St. Pope John Paul II was at Giants Stadium on October 5, 1995 which at the time, held the largest crowd to attend an event despite the fact there was a rainstorm. 82,948 people came to see the Pope and many were able to see the Catholics Come Home adds on the large screens in the stadium.

Tom Peterson President & Founder: Catholics Come

For 25 years, Tom Peterson built his career as an award-winning, national corporate advertising executive.

But Tom’s life would radically change forever, after receiving an incredible and transforming Spiritual conversion in 1997, while on a men’s retreat from his church. Soon afterward, he founded and

catholicscomehome_250In the past decade, Tom has presented to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, Australian Media Conference and Australian Bishops Conference, and at various worldwide conferences and Pontifical Councils at the Vatican. Tom and his apostolates have been featured in nearly three hundred media venues worldwide, including multiple appearances on Fox News and EWTN.

Peterson’s second apostolate,, creates and airs sanctity of life commercials helping as many as 22,000 abortion vulnerable women each month their ads air on MTV, BET, E! and VH1. Their prolife apostolate features multiple websites such as,, and others promoting the sanctity of life.

Their interactive website and TV ads of are designed to offer spiritual support for our priests, seminarians, bishops and our Holy Father.

Tom knows his vocation in life is to help people through media. He encourages others to seek God’s plan for their lives, to help change our world for the better. Tom and Tricia, his wife of 26 years, and their three daughters live in the suburbs of Atlanta.

You can listen to the show here:  Showtime begins at 9:00 A.M Eastern, 8:00 A.M. Central, 7:00 A.M. Mountain, and 6:00 A.M. Pacific time.  Archive follows immediately following the live show.

Eternal Father, turn Your merciful gaze upon the souls of those who have separated themselves from Your Son’s Church, who have squandered Your blessings and misused Your graces by obstinately persisting in their errors. Do not look upon their errors, but upon the love of Your own Son and upon His bitter Passion, which He underwent for their sake, since they, too, are enclosed in His Most Compassionate Heart. Bring it about that they also may glorify Your great mercy for endless ages. Amen.

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The Catholic Defender: The Cynthia Morales Conversion Story

Posted by Donald Hartley - September 22nd, 2014

CynthiaTonight on Deepertruth, Cynthia Morales, will give her conversion back to the Catholic Faith.  Currently, Cynthia works at Prolife Champions which is a non-profit media production company.  They recently produced the documentary “The 40 Film”.  Dr. Day Gardner of this movie states, “The 40 Film is a provocative game changer in support of life.”  This work was not always what Cynthia Morales believed.  

Cynthia Morales has a Master’s of Divinity degree from McCormick Theological Seminary in Chicago, IL. She is a “revert” to the Catholic Church and is currently the Coordinator of Development for Pro-Life Champions, a ministy founded by her husband, John Morales. John Morales is the producer and director of 40. They are the proud parents of their son, Joseph Dominic Morales. Cindy has authored the CSS studies on Humane Vitae, Amos, and the Advent: Preparing for Christ series.

Tonight, Cynthia will give her story of conversion leading her back to the Catholic Faith.

<sCynthia 12pan style=”color: #ff0000″>”Repent, therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be wiped away, and that the Lord may grant you times of refreshment and send you the Messiah already appointed for you, Jesus, whom the heavens must receive until the times of universal restoration of which God spoke through the mouth of his holy prophets from of old.”  Acts 3:19-21

We are all called to follow the Lord in all that we are and I think this is why conversion stories are so important to many of us.  They offer hope in times of despair.  Because we are living in an evil age, St. Paul writes,  ”And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper.” Romans 1:28

Even so, St. John is clear, “But to those who did accept him he gave the power to become children of God, to those who believe in his name.”  John 1:12

Cynthia 1Jesus gives us this message of hope, “What man among you having a hundred sheep and losing one of them would not leave the ninety-nine in the desert and go after the lost one until he finds it.”  Luke 15:4

Joel 2:12-13 really says it all, “Yet even now, say the Lord, return to me with your whole heart, with fasting, and weeping, and mourning: Rend your hearts, not your garments, and return to the Lord, your God.  For gracious and merciful is he, slow to anger, rich in kindness, and relenting in punishment.”

You can listen to tonight’s show here

Showtime begins at 8:00 Eastern, 7:00 Central, 6:00 Mountain, and 5:00 Pacific.  Archive follows immediately following the live show.

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The Catholic Defender: The Church Is The Body Of Christ

Posted by Donald Hartley - September 21st, 2014

Body of Christ“As a body is one through it has many parts, and all the parts of the body, though many, are one body, so also Christ. For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, slaves or free persons, and we were all given to drink of the one Spirit.” The image of a body is introduced by St. Paul to explain Christ’s relationship with His believers. Through Baptism, all are brought into this body despite the awesome diversity of ethnic or social origins. We are all grafted into the body of Christ.

The Four Marks of the True Church, “One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic” Church are the basic outward signs of what constitutes the body of Christ. The first point, the Church is one, is a sign of the glory of God’s presence within the body of Christ. John 17:22 states, “And I have given them the glory you gave me, so that they may be one, as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may be brought to perfection as one, that the world may know that you sent me, and that you loved them even as you loved me.”

1 Corinthians 1:1-2 states, “Greetings. Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, to the Church of God that is in Corinth, to you who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be holy, with all those everywhere who call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours.” The Church was being sanctified in Christ Jesus, how was this done? Is this a process, is this a one time event? 1 Corinthians 30-31 states, “It is due to him that you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, as well as righteousness, sanctification, and redemption, so that, as it is written, ‘Whoever boasts, should boast in the Lord.”.

St. Paul 1In this process, St. Paul first gives thanks for God’s grace that is bestowed on the Church through Jesus Christ. The Church is enriched with all knowledge, it is confirmed with spiritual gifts through God’s faithfulness. This is a growing process for the Church.

Act’s 26:17-18 gives an important mission of the Church, “I shall deliver you from this people and from the Gentiles to whom I send you, to open their eyes that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may obtain forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been consecrated by faith in me.” Here the Sacraments of Baptism/Confession is made apparent as the vehicle that the Church is capable of forgiving sins. It is through baptism that we are consecrated into the body of Christ. St. Peter teaches, “Repent and be baptized, everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” Acts 2:38

The Body of Christ then has the supernatural faith that God works through that presents the means of His grace that makes possible the forgiveness of sin. 1 Peter 1:3 states, “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who in his great mercy gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you who by the power of God are safeguarded through faith, to a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the final time.” The new birth pointing again to baptism.

Seven ChurchesColossians 3:15 states, “And let the peace of Christ control your hearts, the peace into which you were also called in one body.” Consider Revelation 2:7, “Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the victor I will give the right to eat from the tree of life that is in the garden of God.” Who were those churches? They were Ephesus, Smyna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea were all within the region of Turkey. These churches were under the responsibility of St. John who states, “The victor I will make into a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will never leave it again. On him I will inscribe the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, as well as my new name.”

Through baptism, we are “inscribed the name of God (Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) and the city of God, the new Jerusalem,” the Church. 1 Timothy 3:15, St. Paul refers to the Church, the household of God as the “Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth”. St. John is grafting his followers into this “pillar in the temple”. It is interesting to note that immediately following the recognition of the seven churches within St. John’s care, we see a strong Eucharistic reference, “Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, then I will enter his house and dine with him, and he with me. I will give the victor the right to sit with me. I will give the victor the right to sit with me on my throne, as I myself first won the victory and sit with my Father on his throne.”

Communion“I will enter his house and dine with him, and he with me” is a direct reference of John 6:56-57, “Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.” It is interesting following this Eucharistic reference, St. John presents his vision of heavenly worship Revelation chapter four. We have the throne of God, we have ministers of the Lord, we have the praise offered, there is liturgy being offered. At Mass we are participating in this divine liturgy.

Revelation chapter 5 we see the intercession of the of the saints, we are given this power to intercede before the Lord, 1 Timothy 1-4 states, “First of all, then, I ask that supplications, prayers, petitions, and thanksgivings be offered for everyone, for kings and for all in authority, that we may lead a quiet and tranquil life in all devotion and dignity. This is good and pleasing to God our savior, who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth.”

It is clear that within this body of Christ, we are seeing the importance of baptism, for unity, for Eucharistic, heavenly worship, for intercessory prayer.

The more you delve into the scriptures, the more Catholic you find that they really are.

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The Catholic Defender: The Joseph Sciambra Conversion Story

Posted by Donald Hartley - September 19th, 2014

sciambraOn Deepertruth tonight, the Joseph Sciambra story is a story of struggle, the story of one of the toughest battles faced in life. The following is taken from his website

“Yet even now, says the Lord, return to me with your whole heart” (Joel 2:12), we are called to conversion and come back to the Lord.  It says in James 5:19-20, “My Brothers, if anyone among you should stray from the truth and someone bring him back, he should know that whoever brings back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sin.”

Joseph Sciambra was born in 1969, in Northern California, not far from San Francisco. He grew up in a stable and loving home while attending Catholic parochial schools from kindergarten through twelfth grade.

Early on, the dark shadow of pornography would cloud his entire childhood and teenage years. Throughout the 1990s, Joseph lived around the homosexual culture of the Castro District, offering him rare insight into the daily lives and struggles of many gay men. Later, he became an amateur porn actor and escort.

In 1999, following a near death experience, Joseph returned to the Love of Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Catholic Church. Since then he has written extensively concerning the real-life issues of pornography, homosexuality, and the occult. He received his BA from the University of California at Berkeley in Art History and his MA from Sonoma State University.

sciambra (1)Joseph told God Discussion, an internet web page: “Ever since the singer Madonna released her pornographic book “Sex” back in 1992, I have witnessed the very methodical and deliberate normalization of BDSM within the main-stream media. Back around the same time Madonna went public with her fetishes, I began performing in San Francisco-based bondage films. At the time, even the gay market was not completely accepting, and much of this material had to be purchased through mail order. Now, sadomasochism is a mainstay, not only in gay pornography, but in straight porn as well. Hence, the recent trend in the popular media to take its cue from the porn world: the biggest selling book of the previous year was the disgusting and poorly-written “Fifty Shades of Grey.” Kiddie-pop has even gotten in on the act with the songs “S&M” by Rihanna and the music video of Hilary Duff’s “Reach Out,” both of which explicitly delve into sadomasochist themes. Most recently, Anne Hathaway showed up at her movie premier in a dominatrix inspired get-up, then proceeded to flash the world.”

Listen in as Joseph gives his story how he returned back to the Catholic faith and how today, he is a warrior for Christ.  You can listen here on this link

Showtime tonight begins at 10:00 Eastern, 9:00 Central, 8:00 Mountain, and 7:00 Pacific. Archive will be available immediately following the live show.

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